Toms River: Ocean County Mall. With the ongoing construction of the BJ’s Brewhouse and demolition of Sears, it appears mall owner Simon is using non-union labor. Staff photographer Dave Meyer spotted the giant rats and ongoing protest outside the mall today.
Bunch of scabs working the job insiders tell us!
Scabs….
Scabs! ??????
Scabs!
Ahhh Crybabies!
Ahhh the fickle labor unions.
scans?
Well it’s not illegal.
Wahhhhhhhhhh
As long as they don’t get paid to stand around it doesn’t matter to me
Andy Nemec always has a great comment.
Dave Meyer thank you
Hey- aren’t unions working the rt. 37 project?
Brian Murray whoever it is tying up the road on a Sunday to make triple overtime SUCKS!
Brian Murray big difference, those are state Unions
Brian Murray its a non union contractor
Thats a union contractor on 37 and 166.
Kyle Emerson can’t be. Don’t see rats out there.
Brian Murray JF Kiely is absolutely not union, unless I missed when they were organized
Kiely moved the gas line, and they are some bullshit in house union. They are not the GC of the job, new prince is, they are a union outfit, union operators and union laborers
Kelly Alsobrooks so if it’s not union, why are the rats at the new brew house, and not at the non-union road project that has been mismanaged since the Lincoln presidency?
Brian Murray read Kyles comment above. Deadlines come from contractor and customer. No rats bc Keily works directly for NJ natural gas which is who is holding the project up.
The state held up the project
Kyle im a kiely operator yes we are a in house union local 409 but we get the same perks that a union has.
Kelly we also work for south jersey gas and Elizabeth gas and we got kiely pipeline out in pa
Robert Haas honestly I don’t have an issue with your company, or the time frame. Others do and just stating the facts. I only care that they are an in house union and not exploiting the worker. Your happy, we are happy. If my comment offended you, than I apologize. I didn’t mean the company as much as the gas company’s. Also, I could be wrong..maybe it’s the state. My point is that it’s not union labor
Kelly Alsobrooks
It’s not union labor holding up the jobs ***
It’s not union labor holding up the job **
Kelly no offense taken lol
BAM!
Robert Haas if you like your Union, thank a Democrat
Shame on the mall. They used to use union workers. When they redid the inside it was union labor
I guess BJ’s will be opening on time then and the demolition will be done by the end of next week. Wonder whether the Red Carpet Inn will be a Union job?
Dennis Cafiero HA! Yes, may open on time and then usually calls in the union contractor afterwards to fix the SCAB work. Not saying all non union is unskilled, but Ive also never been on a union job that didn’t meet the deadline. I can tell you one thing I DO know..I have a pension, annuity, great pay, amazing benefits, ability for continuing education including college that the hall would reimburse up to 80 percent for and so much more. Unions aren’t the problem, it’s large corporations that want to pay workers minimum wage while collecting their billion dollar bonus.
I agree with you. Companies are cutting corners but probably doing it because in Toms River it is that much harder to see the return on that extra investment. If the town would invest in the business’s and provide less red tape companies might invest more in our area. I wish the town would learn this. Look at all the successful communities out their they invested in their business’s. Instead TR just wants their cut.
Dennis Cafiero one stick of dyyyynomite should do it lol
Dennis Cafiero I agree as well.
I’ve worked on both sides and you really get what you pay for. It might be the lowest bid, but all said and done not worth it and ends up being more expensive.
Free market. You have the right to hire who you want and the right to work at what pay you are willing to work for.
Dave Tober true
Do t butch when short cuts are taken and someone gets hurt
Ellen Fass I’ll be fine
I worked with a guy who took the time to make a giant block of cheese put in on a lull and booked it out over top of the rat or go out cut the ropes that thing will be rolling down hooper or u can shoot it with a pellet gun all’s fair in love and war
Don’t non union laborers need to make a living too? I don’t see the big deal.
Erica Morton Schiattarella absolutely. Unions are all about prevailing wage. At the very least they want to be sure that the non union workers are getting what they deserve.
Kelly Alsobrooks prevailing wage is a joke.
Erica Morton Schiattarella that was an educated rebuttal.
Unions do not always have the best interest of workers in my mind…and I did say not always. I can tell you in some cases unions do not make sense. The owners of that mall chose a non union team…why is it ok to post a rat on their property?
Kelly Alsobrooks there’s no reason for someone with no experience to make $30 plus an hour. That $30 an hour becomes $40 an hour to the employer by the time they pay tax and insurance on that employee. There’s also no reason to have 4 people to do the job of 1 while the other three watch!! We can agree to disagree. You are pro union I am not.
Erica Morton Schiattarella yeah you’re right because living in poverty and being at the mercy of management is everyone’s dream….
Erica Morton Schiattarella I disagree but I do respect your opinion as well. I wish you knew a little more about unions, due to the fact that you are saying workers are inexperienced and also saying 4 to 1. Both are incorrect.
Anthony Vincent Manzione it’s called earn your way up the ladder.
Kelly Alsobrooks so the Union doesn’t have apprentices?
Absolutely, we are trained through the hall and
Journeyman. We work in crews of two. I have never stood around and watched someone work, I learned through experience as does non union. Apprentices work harder than most have too but our journey oversee whatever task we are doing Incase it needs to be modified or corrected. Non union have similar Circumstances. Everyone needs to be trained at some point. 10 dollars an hour and being sent into asbestos isn’t working you way up the ladder it’s getting taken advantaged by a company.
Kelly couldn’t said any better i have been a operator all my life. I went from making peanuts at a mom and pops company to making a excellent living at j f kiely i got all sorts of certifications to work on gas services to steel main… it was the best move i have ever made!!
Robert Haas same here, always an educated a decision to better your situation.
Kelly Alsobrooks is Union the only way to better yourself? I won’t disagree that the union does good for its employees but on the same hand where someone isn’t doing their job properly it isn’t so easy to get rid of them.
It also isn’t right for you to say non union workers are uneducated or less qualified.
By unions protesting because non union workers are doing a job is ridiculous unless they are going to employ all those non union workers on the job.
Solve the problem give everyone a book that has their 2k hours
Erica Morton Schiattarella we get laid off easily”lack of work”. Again, I think you are not fully aware of unions. Most contractors do a interview period..2 -4 week call and then lay off if they don’t like them. We can be fired at any point also. I don’t believe I said non union workers were uneducated, in fact I thought I said I don’t believe non union is unskilled. We are only insuring that conditions are met. Which unions did years ago, which gave your weekends, 40 hr weeks, etc.
Kelly Alsobrooks a teacher can not just be laid off
Erica Morton Schiattarella to be honest, different type of unions your are discussing at this point. They are not all the same. This isn’t a teachers union we are talking about
Kelly Alsobrooks I’ve been talking Unions in general
Erica Morton Schiattarella sorry, but again uneducated. Teacher and state unions are not even close to private unions. We are self funded. This is a thread based off private unions not state based.
Kelly Alsobrooks so when as a union worker you get laid off you collect unemployment and work for cash on the side at a non union job!
Erica Morton Schiattarella no, actually I don’t have to do that. I can handle my finances easily. I do not live outside my means. Again, I don’t have any issue with others that work non union, just hoping they get what they are owed. As an employer I’d rather see my employees get what they are owed than worry about taking an extra vacation is all. I told you originally..I respect union and non union. Your arguments are all over the place. I care about the employee rights in the long run. That is all
Kelly Alsobrooks you truly believe the union workers are protesting for non union workers employee rights? They are protesting because they were not hired for the job.
Erica Morton Schiattarella I do. I work up north where unions are stronger but live here. I have worked with multiple people that we non union and brought to prevailing wage….and then brought into the union. I completely understand where you are coming from..but I’ve lived most aspects of construction. I respect unions, but I do also respect your opinion. I always will, but I try to dissipate anything that is invalid with unions. I have no issue the the non union contractor.
Erica Morton Schiattarella prevailing wage will be only going up when they raise the minimum wage. Unions put in contract things like 5 times minimum wage. So now they will get huge pay raises for workers. That will start to hurt the economy for sure.
Oh get over it I used to work in a union now I don’t now I’m a scab , scabs have to eat 2
Remember why most have weekends off and have breaks while working.. also benefits too. That was all the power of union and people banding together to be treated fairly…
Guess the big union bosses won’t be going on any big seminars in the Caribbean LOL
Scabs are as good as trash
sorry we haven’t mastered the art of tying the perfect caution tape ribbion let me go get a license for that?
It is what it is, scabs are dirt In My book, union for life
I don’t see many people playing with liquid metal or climbing sky scrapers for anything less than what unions offer
Chris Defrancis then ur staring at your shovel in the ground man sorry to be honest not trying to pick a fight don’t need an inflatable squirrel outside my window when I’m trying to cop a nut
Not trying to pick a fight either, but sometimes the guy holding that shovel worked his way their, to each their own, everyone deserves cold one at the end of the day regardless
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Chris Defrancis ? cheers man we’re all in it to make a living we all need to provide you have to go we’re the work is u stop working and you die it’s the sad truth your fortunate enough to be in a union and god bless ya but these guys are just out here trying to provide for their families ur not out of work you guys have all the contracts in the state pretty much so it’s all good man we’re all out here trying to make that bookoo money
It is what it is In the end buddy
all good man
Skilled labor isn’t cheap
Cheap labor isn’t skilled
And don’t forget, scabs don’t always follow OSHA standards and aren’t as well trained in safety
Because all non-union labor are terrible right????
Yup it is
Skilled labor isn’t skilled
Cory J Bierbaum remind me which type of labor is working on route 166
Cory J Bierbaum remind me which type of labor is working on route 166
Philip Bucceroni III you tell him
Nick Masi for real!! Smh brutal!!
Question – do these rat protests ever do anything? And what is that big tan guy.
Jeffrey Ashmen yeah I have no idea what the Big Ten guy is either when I took the picture from across the street I was wondering the same thing
A lot of people on this post need to do some research about unions. They paved the way for safer working conditions and a fair workplace environment.
Anthony Vincent Manzione Also If it wasn’t for Unions driving Pay up…Non Unions wouldn’t be making close to what they are…
People can laugh all they want but Anthony is right
Anthony Vincent Manzione but still drive the cost up with equal quality work as non union
Other problem with Union is most support the Democratic party and if you don’t and you’re union you basically black booked sitting in the hall working the picket lines like this one
Unions have thousands out of work but will still hire for the dues
Public sector “unions” ruined private sector UNIONS.
Steven Smith it is rare to have a crew in any job field do equal work as non union. There’s more unions than i can name that send you to classes while you’re working so you get the proper training to protect yourself as well as giving that satisfaction to a customer. Not to dig deep into politics because that will go for hours … but you shouldn’t be in huge support of someone that wants to knock out unions piece by piece with the right to work act. I can’t understand the logic behind someone that doesn’t want to pay $70 a month to guarantee at least several thousands of dollars more a year than being unorganized. Let alone the protection. Maybe it’s just the local I’m in but I’ve never been laid off i hear stories of those who do …nobody is fired without a real reason and most of all we aren’t cattle to the corporate world. To try and say there’s more negatives to a union than benefits is just ignorant. Just an example of a very basic union … Lidl grocery store pays grocery managers at $14-$15 an hour….a union grocery store is mid to upper $20’s an hour. Nobody is going to survive well today off $14 an hour.
Steven Smith most unions actually do not make you pay dues if you are not actively working
Anthony Vincent Manzione what? Who told you that? How do you think you stay in the union?
You have to pay your dues
Anthony Vincent Manzione I am a non-union Automotive technician.
Nothing on the right applies to me, here’s the key…. Be good at what you do.
Steven Smith it’s posted in every union shop.
Yo
Vito & 2 fingers Tony gotta make their money too
Fageddaboudit
That’s half true Steven Smith
That’s half true Steven Smith
Ppl have the right to work get over it
those bastard unions denied my veteran son a job….because he had no family member in the union to sponsor him. they suck space waste. my family would still be here if nj was a right to work state. instead they had to leave for him to be able to get a decent job.
Any Union will take a veteran to the front of the list through helmets to hard hats, if he has an honorable discharge.
sean that’s bullshit. not a “closed” union. you must have a family member already in the union to get in. veteran or not doesn’t matter. i also know of someone who was dishonorably discharged who got in because his father was in. add in that there are hundreds of kids who train for various trades at the vocational schools who also get denied and have to find work in non union shops or not at all. that’s why he enlisted to begin with. unions suck. they have totally outlived their usefulness. they are the reason a lot of companies are moving out of new jersey…or not moving in in the first place.
So those guys don’t get to feed there kids ?
George Vickery hopefully the representatives will have something figured out
Today’s unions are as worthless as t*ts on a bull.
Yeah right Richard go work on that complicated relationship!!
Dave Meyer
Michael Sean Sweigart yup, it be me
According to our governor all the illegals need a job too as soon as he gets them an ID & drivers license.
are those union workers on the Rt37&166 project???
No
So if your not a union member you can’t go to work?
Danny Rodenbaugh that’s pretty much what they are saying.
Ben Martin we’re getting a bjs
Sean Martin BJs are always good
Glory Hole?
Whatever happened to professionalism ?
? my goodness ??
Is it a requirement they hire union?
Nope
Bill McDermott best comment on page. Why should a company hire union if it’s not required they need to put money on the table just like everyone else. Sounds like union is just just using the visibility of the projects to gain exposure.
Yeah. Line the pockets of you BA off your sweat… Union is a bunch of BS. Got to be on your knees to get ahead
Emily Covella
Mmmm
Shame on y’all. Hire union
Union for life
Union must be struggling that’s the second one this month first it was the project by the hospital. I’ve seen my fair share of hacks from ibew
Emil Balitzki dave Meyer
Emil Balitzki dave Meyer
Mark Langel wassup???
Tagging your boyfriend to indirectly talk shit again, I seeeee
Mark Langel once again, be a man, not a hoe.
Dave Meyer how was that electric scooter in Walmart lol
Can’t walk ?
Dave Meyer your the one always talking shit lol so I hear yet I never even met you in person , then I suddenly get blocked from jersey dual sport lol I seeeeee
Mark Langel never mention you to anyone. I deleted you from there since you deleted me from your pages, 2 can play Facebook games… just remember, everyone you talk to in the woods knows me for a very long time, ???
Mark Langel never mention you to anyone. I deleted you from there since you deleted me from your pages, 2 can play Facebook games… just remember, everyone you talk to in the woods knows me for a very long time, ???
Mark Langel see, little hoe shit, you see me, but hide n don’t say anything in person. N no, knees need replacement.
Mark Langel see, little hoe shit, you see me, but hide n don’t say anything in person. N no, knees need replacement.
Dave Meyer dude I could give a fuck less who knows you , your a fucking 500 lb loser who only rides fire roads , funny thing is everyone talks shit on you and how you are too fat to ride and again only ride fire roads lol I’ll see you in the woods sometime
Dave Meyer dude I could give a fuck less who knows you , your a fucking 500 lb loser who only rides fire roads , funny thing is everyone talks shit on you and how you are too fat to ride and again only ride fire roads lol I’ll see you in the woods sometime
Dave Meyer hence why your so fat you had to ride an electric scooter in Walmart , fucking pathetic
Dave Meyer hence why your so fat you had to ride an electric scooter in Walmart , fucking pathetic
Mark Langel okkk, remember this…
Dave Meyer anytime dude anytime you wanna hang I’m down
Ok
Dave Meyer and if you think I’m the only one talking shit your sadly mistaken I have talked to atleast 7 people who don’t like you lol from my group alone
Dave Meyer including a person who own a shop locally who had me cracking up with stories about you so your “ friends” you talk about aren’t really
Mark Langel i don’t go to shops loclly, i do all my own work sooo you have to be talking about the other dave meyer
Dave Meyer ya sure , funny cause he said Dave meyer a guy who rides a 650 and was an ex heroin junky ? Pretty spot on huh?
Mark Langel cool, i don’t like myself, i hate everyone, wtf, im not in elementary school caring who likes me lmmfao
I’m done talking see you on the “ fire roads “
Mark Langel he, he probably knows me i probably beat him up n robbed him, thats why he doesn’t like me along with everyone else hha
Dave Meyer atleast your honest I’ll give you that
Mark Langel ?
Mark Langel nothing to hide or lie about to anyone, never.
Mark Langel lol, not that it matters, but dude who “owns local shop” is john gaylord, stumpys dude probably because i wouldn’t buy his 600$ helmet and bought the same one for $250, but ya, he knows absolutely nothing about me other than following me on Instagram and Facebook, and too emotional, just like youuuuuuu?????, good night sweet cheeks.
Nice 1 /10th the price everyone needs to work 15-20 hr or 32.50- 68.50 hr it’s a no brain ? R
I wonder if all the union guys want to give everyone a job that’s working on the building, problem solved so bring applications to the big rat ?
Who cares it’s putting food on the table for some kids.
They have a blowup rat
but they call them scabs I don’t get it
Blow up rat, made in China by child labor.
Does BJ’s brewhouse give more than the name says.
…lol
Many unions supported Murphy. Maybe Simon is not a fan.
Unions endorsed Murphy, Murphy welcomes Illegals, Illegals take away union jobs, Murphy doesn’t give a shit (he got the votes he needed). Build the wall!
If the union has guys not working, send them to Route 166 and Route 37 project. They could use some help over there instead of standing around telling someone else at a job site they can’t work.
All I care about is that the job is done right and on time. Union or not.
Workers being in a union guarantees nothing
It’s a shame what these organizations do to union workers and reps…i watched them push our union president right out the door…..
Union really means nothing anymore, administration always gets their way…
My boyfriend is a carpenter in the union
Melanie Virga i was in the cwa union 11 years useless…..
Brian Smith
Not good!!!!!SCABS SUCK
Who runs these unions?..Do the union bosses pay money to keep and get a job
Cheap labor and sometimes less skilled
The mall will be done before rt 37 and 9 get finished.
Joe Triolo it’s not rt 9
Hmmmm, isn’t that 166 stretch Union ? SMH
The demolition work that is being done at the Sears is being done by a union company I deliver all the equipment and all employees from operators to laborers are union
My father was a blue collar worker and would NEVER cross a picket line. Such a shame.
I saw the union protesting in front of a non union supermarket recently. I laughed to myself because just up the road a Super ShopRite (a union store) just opened where they (ShopRite) bragged about creating 350 jobs. Too bad it’s 90% part time with zero benefits. They should go protest in front of their own store
Rt 166 and 37 project is a union site…..
So just out of curiosity. Why is it ok for union guys to do non union work on the weekends when they fought so hard to have the weekends off. I’m a licensed electrician in the state of New Jersey and I can always tell when a union guy has gone in and did a side job. Should I as a non union worker set up a rat in front of that house because they are sterling “scab” work?
Prevailing wages paid?